The modern so-called UFO Phenomenon stretches back to the mid-20th century. That means we have 75+ years of lore to draw from when reflecting on the subject matter in question. Of course, for the vast majority of that time this topic, colloquially referred to as “ufology”, has remained a somewhat “fringe” enterprise, discussed ad nauseam by enthusiasts of the notion of extraterrestrial intelligences visiting earth in sophisticated machines, but never gaining a truly legitimate foothold amongst the mainstream.

That is, of course, up until recently. Since the advent of the revelations/allegations brought forward by a former insider named David Grusch, this topic has gained traction in the mainstream; at least, it has begun to. At this point, while decades-long ufologists have been shocked to see the kind of attention this topic has recently garnered in political circles, it’s still not truly penetrated the formidable iron gates of legacy mainstream media.

Nevertheless, there are signs that this wall of impenetrability is perhaps beginning to crack and crumble. And without doubt, as more hearings are held, and more evidence is presented, along with a secondary wave of whistleblowers prepared to follow in David Grusch’s wake, that traction in the mainstream will eventually prove undeniable. And that will mark an inflection point for our civilization, as the conversation around this new reality we are collectively grappling with turns from “could it be?” to “how now shall we respond?”

All that said, as we’ve watched this topic, and the questions it inevitably begs, begin to become a noticeable “something” for those who’ve long ignored it, there is an aspect of the conversation that is still largely missing from the society-wide dialogue. Here I speak of the aims/intentions/agendas of the beings in question. It’s as if we’re talking about them either in the past tense, or as a force that is unconscious, like water running down a mountain towards the ocean.

But, of course, they are not just another aspect of nature running its course like water returning to the ocean via the impartial force of gravity. They are a parallel intelligence; walking beside us, with their own history, species-specific norms, and collective aims to bring to the mix. And only a much, much smaller subset of the community are asking the relevant questions that arise from this aspect of the situation. Questions such as: who are they, and what are their aims?

Some throw their hands in the air here, assuming that the intentions and, for that matter, even basic nature of a non-human intelligence would be impenetrable to homo sapien sapiens. But of course, a long history of interaction between these others and a subset of humanity known as experiencers casts serious doubt on such assumptions. That history suggests not only that we can engage in open contact with these other beings, but that that communication often involves very specific details about their aims amongst us, and their intentions towards us. How consistent are these messages? And to what degree should we trust them? Many see these as waters too murky to navigate. But that’s precisely what we’ll endeavor to do in this, the 88th episode of the Point of Convergence podcast.

Ever since the dawn of the modern UFO Phenomenon, a wide variety of terms have been used to describe people’s reactions to it. People have been fascinated, frustrated, shocked, perplexed, bewildered, frightened and inspired. And, because of the enigmatic nature of encounters with the beings associated with this Phenomenon, often several of these descriptors can and do apply for any given situation.

As has been pointed out numerous times on this podcast and elsewhere, when one widens the historical scope, it is not a stretch to wonder – even postulate – if beings from more distant folklore may be part and parcel of this same enterprise. And this is true not just because these events that come to us from the depth of recorded human history involve encounters with apparently non-human entities, but also because the nature of the encounters often involve similar elements.

That said, one could also argue that this might be an example of a brush simply applied too broadly. In other words, perhaps because of the very fact that these encounters across time do involve similar elements, we might be tempted to prematurely draw precise parallels where they perhaps do not exist. Were the creatures of faery lore the very same as our modern-day prototypical grey aliens? Or do we simply leap to this conclusion because they neither fit neatly within our tidy conventional zoological models?

In the 20th century, reaching a fevered pitch sometime in the 1990s, word of human abductions by these supposed grey aliens slowly became part of our cultural zeitgeist. The narrative around these more recent encounters involved apparent genetic experimentation and even full-on hybridization programs. Again though, if we widen the scope once more, one could postulate that some of the apparently anomalous leaps in our species’ cognitive capacity throughout hominin history were also the fruit of similar genetic intervention and augmentation programs.

People have also wondered aloud if the UFO Phenomenon marks the beginning of a new religious trend? Many postulated in the 20th century that visits by the space brothers – bearing an uncanny resemblance to ourselves – marked the beginning of a new frontier in spiritual discovery. But again, if we step back, adopting the 30,000 foot view, one can logically question if the very seed of religious belief and practice for our species, from our very earliest creeds on, were also the fruit, either directly or indirectly, of encounters with these same anomalous beings.

Which leads us to some pressing questions: are these beings the same groups of entities interacting and shaping us over time? Or is our imagination simply so limited that we have inappropriately drawn parallels where they simply don’t exist – opening up the possibility that perhaps our ontological landscape is simply much more complex and diverse than we’ve yet been able to really fathom, let alone truly reckon with.

While the history of anomalous encounters seemingly goes right back to the dawn of our civilization, more recent events raise a particularly pressing question: Does the apparent increase in our species’ interaction with some of these non-conventional beings in recent history – paired with what one could argue is a seeming march towards a cataclysmic collapse of our own making – suggest that, while interactions with non-conventional entities have existed across the breadth of human history, that they are now nearing some kind of culmination point – where, as some of the experiencer narrative would suggest -this results in a situation where everything and everyone is left completely different afterwards? And furthermore, is this coming apex inflection point terminal, or transformational for our civilization, and perhaps even both? These are the daunting, challenging and awe-inspiring matters we’ll seek to engage with in this, the 84th episode of the Point of Convergence podcast.

While the modern UFO era may have begun with the emergence of saucer sightings in the early to mid 20th century, that picture eventually grew to include not only those initial sightings, but also reported interactions with the supposed beings piloting these sophisticated, non-conventional craft. Yes, indeed “aliens” – or as they’re often called in modern ufology circles – non-human intelligences, often to clarify that we don’t actually know where they’re from, just that they’re not human – at least we’re pretty sure of that fact – if by “human” we mean beings akin to contemporary homo sapien sapiens. Of course, as we’ll see in today’s episode, that clear cut distinction between us and them might not be so easy to delineate after all, but we’ll get to that.

From sightings of supposed alien beings – or, apparently non-human but very often “humanoid” beings – the picture filled out even more, to include the now infamous abduction phenomenon, where modern earth humans are taken aboard craft – often from the comfort and quiet of their bedrooms in the middle of the night – where they are then subjected to a wide variety of experiences, including – in some cases of a perhaps less apparently positive nature – invasive medical procedures and supposed hybridization programs, and – in more apparently positive reports – opportunities to see the cosmos and even, on occasion, to learn to maneuver the craft, often via mental intention alone, no less.

In terms of the beings often seen, while there really is a broad spectrum of others, one particular form has come to represent the quintessential “alien” in our cultural zeitgeist. Here I speak of the proverbial “grey alien”. The emergence of this particular form had much to do, one could argue, with the front cover of Whitley Streiber’s ground-breakin and nerve-rattling book, Communion, published in 1987.

Of course, that image wouldn’t have made the waves it did if it were not for the fact that many thousands of people reportedly recognized that prototypical face – sometimes, much to their chagrin. After all, if they recognized the image, if it was somehow familiar to them, even if murkily so, did this mean they too were perhaps alien abductees? These were chilling questions for a plethora of human beings to contemplate.

Of course, the fact that these beings were – if not exactly human-looking – then certainly humanoid, raised many questions. Why would an alien being look so much like us? Wouldn’t the evolutionary trajectory of their own home planet take them in very different directions? The conventional thinking on these matters assumed this would be the case, and it’s partly this that led to so much ridicule and scoff. Many took these humanoid forms as a good reason to ignore the entire affair altogether. It’s as if these people decided that since aliens wouldn’t look like this, the entire affair must be reducible to make believe or delusion.

And yet, the enigma of this particular form of “otherness” has endured, to the point where it’s now a mainstay in our cultural heritage, both for those who believe and don’t believe aliens are here, and are actually interacting with human beings on an ongoing basis. Of course another possibility that’s emerged more recently, and this would explain why these others look so much like us is they may actually be us – but us from the future; our descendents, who have been taken in some strange evolutionary directions based on future events.

So what is it? Are greys from an extraplanetary source – i.e. are they extraterrestrials? Or are they future humans, what Michael Masters has aptly deemed “extratempestrials”? Or is it possible that both options exist? And, furthermore, could the prevalence of this form, and its evident ongoing connection to us, point towards an even deeper and and more primary construct – that might not only speak to common origins, but perhaps also to a common terminus – maybe in the form of the singularity that rushes to meet us at the end of our time? These are the perplexing yet fascinating ideas we’ll endeavor to explore, in this, the 78th episode of the Point of Convergence podcast.

While the push towards government disclosure around its knowledge of UFOs – and even its knowledge of the attempted reverse engineering of apparently recovered craft of anomalous origin – really is kicking into a high gear of late, it’s still a far cry from the kinds of matters that the people known as experiencers are concerned with. Experiencers, those who have witnessed and interacted with anomalous phenomena personally, including those who’ve had actual encounters with beings of a decidedly non-conventionally human variety, are dealing with the way these experiences have changed them.

That is to say, the question of UFOs and aliens is no longer an open one for these people. That matter is settled, while the public debate rages on. What experiencers have largely moved onto is how to make sense of these experiences, and how to incorporate them into daily reality. No small task when one considers just how life-changing such experiences are.

One key aspect of the encounters experiencers report having has to do with messages; messages received from the beings coming from “elsewhere” – whether one sees that as an extraterrestrial, interdimensional, extratempestrial or extradimensional in nature. If there is one theme that arises more than any other in these reported encounters, it’s one dealing with warnings and admonitions around a dawning cataclysm of some sort, supposedly arising in the not-too-distant future of human civilization.

Sometimes these warnings and admonitions are more symbolic in nature – such as when contactees/abductees are shown images of the earth on fire, or when, for insurance, one particular person saw an image of what looked like the earth as an organism experiencing labored breathing. Other times the message or vision is laid out more plainly, when, for instance, giant waves are seen engulfing the coasts, or when an extraplanetary object is seen smashing into the earth from outer space.

Taken alone, these messages and visions are concerning enough; so much so that some experiencers have historically started changing lifestyle, because they have expected this massive shift in Earth affairs to be imminent. But, the thing is, the UFO Phenomenon experiencers literature is not the only source for these kinds of messages and visions. One need look no further than our religious history to see that various scriptural texts – which are of course ultimately derived from the accounts of anomalous encounters from distant history – also attest to these same themes; both in terms of “beginnings”, such as in the Genesis account, and its older Babylonian and Sumerian sources, as well as in prophesied “endings”, like what we find in apocalyptic literature such as the New Testament’s Book of Revelation.

And then we have the geological and archaeological records, that leave similar tantalizing clues – perhaps even suggesting that this notion of cataclysm is actually part of a recurring cycle; perhaps even one who’s repeated arising is coming due again soon. Is this what ancient ruins and whisperings of former advanced civilizations like Atlantis are pointing towards? Many would suggest this is indeed the case; and that the writing is on the proverbial wall, even if that’s in the form of ancient cave paintings.

But what are we to make of all of this? Why are human beings shown images of seeming impending doom, without being given requisite knowledge regarding how to avoid it? And how does this repeated message of the need for us to “raise our vibration” come into play? Is this about advancing our level of collective consciousness so as to be able to avoid this apocalypse? Or is it about preparing ourselves for the dimensional shift that will happen – at least potentially – immediately afterwards? Tricky waters to navigate, to be sure. But that’s precisely what we’ll attempt in this, the 77th episode of the Point of Convergence podcast.

Over the past couple of episodes of the Point of Convergence podcast we’ve been examining two distinct but related matters:

1.) That various intel sources – sources trusted by credible individuals such as Australian journalist Ross Coulthart and British intelligence analyst Franc Milburn – have divulged the apparent existence of various factions of future-humans who have been intervening in affairs in our present time in order to impact the potential arising of a cataclysmic event that lies — allegedly — in our very not distant future.

And, 2.) That further evolution, especially after something like a cataclysmic environmental event, could very likely give rise to a species of neo-humans who would look very much like the quintessential “grey aliens” we’ve all become very familiar with.

It should be clearly understood, as I just noted above, that while these matters may be related, the notion that at least some of the “grey aliens” contactees/abductees have interacted with are time-traveling future neo-humans can (and, I would argue) should be considered on its own merits. And I think the grounds for this possibility are remarkably compelling, especially once you really gig into the pertinent details. Much of the evidence we’ll discuss today in that regard comes from anthropologist and evolutionary biologist Michael Masters’ book Identified Flying Objects: A Multidisciplinary Scientific Approach to the UFO Phenomenon.

Not only does Masters lay out a thorough and convincing case that so-called “grey aliens” are best understood as being a later arising along the same genetic line that began with chimpanzees and later gave rise to modern homo sapiens, but he makes an equally strong case that two-way time travel is not only a theoretical possibility, but a very likely eventuality based on our ongoing technological development. He also clarifies that many of the seemingly unworkable paradoxes that arise with the notion of time travel are rooted in our misapprehension of how time actually works, and indeed, what it actually is.

In today’s podcast, in addition to a deeper dive into Masters’ bold but well-supported arguments, we’ll examine additional lines of evidence that relate to the intel reports suggesting timeline manipulation by factions of future humans may already be happening.

Are time-traveling future neo-humans the missing link in making sense of the UFO Phenomenon that has eluded us for decades? Or at least, of making sense of a large swath of the data and activity and interactions observed? These are precisely the matters we’ll seek to unravel in this, the 48th episode of the Point of Convergence podcast.

For those of us intimately familiar with the data behind what we colloquially refer to as the UFO Phenomenon, one thing is abundantly clear: we are being visited by beings that are not conventionally human. Beings that, for lack of a better term, we call “aliens”. Aliens here being a term that, in its most general sense, simply simply means “other” – and doesn’t necessarily refer to intelligences arising from some far flung star system, i.e. outer space.

Furthermore, not only are we being visited by these “aliens”, but they – some of them, anyway – are interacting with us in some very bizarre, and for some, disturbing ways; including, apparently, for the sake of harvesting genetic material and even to create what for all intents and purposes appear to be hybridized offspring – beings that are part alien and part human.

That’s the “what” of the UFO Phenomenon. That’s what’s been observed in terms of what’s happening. Again, these are complex matters that, as I’ve argued time and time again, likely involve various phenomena (plural), underlyingly consisting of multiple actors with multiple agendas, and involving origins that may be as diverse as the types of beings described. In that sense, extraterrestrials, interdimensionals, extradimensionals, etc, are very likely — according to my view — all in the picture. In other words, I tick the “all of the above” answer on that particular multiple choice question.

But now that we’ve identified much of the “what’s happening” piece – here I’m specifically referring to craft in our skies that show evidence of technology that is not only sophisticated, but that also shows clear evidence of the apparent warping of spacetime, and to beings that are taking people aboard craft and elsewhere, and performing strange biological experiments and harvesting genetic, reproductive material, and then, often, introducing the apparent hybridized offspring to humans, sometimes to perform various bonding procedures, the question now turns to the “why”. Why would they be doing this?

Well, amongst numerous postulated explanations, one that stands out from the pack, from my point of view, is the notion that these Others, or again, a certain segment of them, are in some way related to modern human beings, and that their endeavor to extract genetic material from us is because they need this material somehow. In fact, experiencers have repeatedly been told messages such as “if we could do this any other way, we would”, or, “we do this because it’s necessary”.

Now while this might sound outlandish at first glance – how would they be related to us, some might ask – that question becomes much simpler to answer once you add in the possibility of time travel. And this brings us to the Future Human Hypothesis, the notion that these Others, or again, at least SOME of them, are our very own progeny, perhaps coming from the distant future, who now look like the quintessential grey alien because they’ve evolved on an Earth that has decidedly different environmental conditions than the one we live on today.

Now, when you tie in reports arising from deeply imbedded intelligence community sources, suggesting there is indeed evidence suggesting these “aliens” are indeed future humans, and not just one group, but multiple factions, coming from different points in time downstream from our present day, and that their reason for being here is tied to the arising of some kind of cataclysm that is supposedly going to happen in our not very distant future, then much of the total picture begins to take shape. At least potentially.

But how likely is it that these Others, some of them anyway, may actually be neo-humans, our very descendants? And how credible is the notion that they may be here to manipulate our timeline as it pertains to some near-future cataclysm? And how might this apparent apocalyptic event relate to previous cataclysms that have happened in Earth’s history; cataclysms that may actually be recurring events, events that perhaps only arise once every few thousand years or so? These are the intriguing and essential matters we’ll see to engage with in this, the 47th episode, of the Point of Convergence podcast.